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Towards the end of April I posted an image similar to the above image at "photocritique.net". I got MANY responses to this because I simply asked which was better and should I tell people that the second image had "heavy" manipulations. Here is the original message:

I am interested in opinions on these two images. The one on the left is the original image after scanning. The day that the photo was taken was cloudy and dim. I brought the image into Adobe PhotoShop 6.0 and created the image on the right. Which one should I post? Where should I post the image on the right? Do I let people know that it is a major manipulation? Please give me your opinions.

Well, because of the recent turn of events here I am wondering if anyone is interested in responding.

If you want to see the original comments go to:

http://www.photocritique.net/g/s?zzqAwc-p06115736 
published:
Wed 6 Jun 2001 23:27
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Ben Bondarenko Ben Bondarenko #1 Wed 6 Jun 2001 23:45

picture to the right does looks better, but the left picture isn`t bad


Svein Bjornsen Svein Bjornsen #2 Thu 7 Jun 2001 01:21

If I do anything with an image that I could not do to it in a traditional darkroom, I would consider it manipulation. In my mind, combining two different images is manipulation.


Helyn Davenport Helyn Davenport #3 Thu 7 Jun 2001 01:36

Tis sad that soo much goes on in the discussion of manipulations..and that "manipulated images are looked down upon...well I think if they can turn off manipulated images I want to turn off macros etc...and that a few people can decide as to "how" much manipulation is ok and not ok..gads Ansel Adams could only have his images in manipulated catagories!..what about thick lens on a camera tis ok? but not a lens filter on your lightroom program?

Anyway....glad you did this image..will be interesting to see comments..from people with knowledge and people who have not a clue about photography or art.


Helyn Davenport Helyn Davenport #4 Thu 7 Jun 2001 01:46

Computers don`t change creative posobilities at all. If you can`t think of it without the computer your not going to think of it with the computer. That dosn`t meen that a computer is not a good tool. If you are limited by traditional photography, your limitations will just be carried over into the computer imagry. Computers do not change the job, they just fasilitate it.


Found this thought on web...


Helyn Davenport Helyn Davenport #5 Thu 7 Jun 2001 01:47

When all is said and done.....It still boils down to the creative individual. While the computer is an incredible tool with a vast choice of visual effects, it is not the magic bullet for creativity.

Like most artistic endeavors, there will always be those few who use it well, and a majority that won`t


Todd Hansell Todd Hansell #6 Thu 7 Jun 2001 02:03

Seqoyah should be here toi say this herself - She told me thins in an email: "If you limit the artist you lose the art". Just thought it was a good time to share that - Thanks Betty!


Petr Zakharov Petr Zakharov #7 Thu 7 Jun 2001 02:32

Tod: You are right: "If you limit the artist you lose the art".


april coleman april coleman #9 Thu 7 Jun 2001 03:24

Oooo I believe Helyn said it all. I love art and photos. Put those two together - what do you get? Something I love even more. It takes creative genius (as in Helyn Davenport, Steve Bingham, Olger and others) to produce amazing and evocative images as they do. I think there is room for both, and we all should be allowed to enjoy what pleases our spirits. Excellence is excellence, in whatever venue. Just my opinion....


Mike Baldwin Mike Baldwin #10 Thu 7 Jun 2001 03:41

There can surely be no doubt that the manipulated image is better. But you make a very good point....if rules are made which seek to draw distinctions between the two, then it begs questions about how anyone can tell (unless they admit it).


Svein Bjornsen Svein Bjornsen #11 Thu 7 Jun 2001 12:48

Photography as an artform finds its strenght in its capability to capture a moment. It can be the fleeting beauty of a flower, a look in a childs face or the brutal reality of war. When we as photographers start doctoring our own images to make them perfect, we have to be careful. The digital darkroom opens for endless possibilities which should be explored, but it`s taking on the shape of a different artform. We loose the moment, but we gain perfection. We should make it clear that it`s been manipulated, but we should be proud of the result.


Melanie Kipp Melanie Kipp #12 Sat 9 Jun 2001 17:14

like the right!